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Competition
01-03-2008 19:23 |
Ok well here goes..... Indy, my alrounder, thoroughbred mare has competed at prelim dressage about 4 times at a small equestrian - each time scoring 55-60%. I then took her to Ingliston equestrian centre in Oct 07 and she scored 54% which was fair enough, as it was an official BD judge and Indy was a little naughty. So over the winter i have done ALOT of training with a highly regarded trainer and everything is going extremely well. So today i went to a rc dressage show (BD judges) and my trainer came with me and oh my god my mare was so chilled (first time out in months) she was so light in hand, stretching her topline and whats better the warm up arena has has mirrors and aw she was a picture. so my time came and we went in (prelim 12) and she was really good, couple of slip ups, her immobility, halt is still terrible. but i couldnt complain. Denise (my trainer)was pleased but did warm me the judge marks very strictly and isn't overly keen on TBs so i went to get my reults, fully expecting quite a good mark and i got...49%!!!!!! And whats worse i came 7th out of 19!!! Why would anyone mark a prelim test so strictly?!?! The lady placed first had a score of 57%, 57% to win a class, have you ever heard anything so outrageous? All this has done is knock my confidence and to be honest totally put me off and im sure others in the class felt this way! Sorry for the vent but i just couldnt beleive it, as far as my trainer was concerned Indys test should have come in at around 57%-62%! Ahhhhh! sorry again for the rant any comments are more than welcome Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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TOG
01-03-2008 20:34 |
RE: Soul Destroying
I can see why you name the thread 'soul destroying', however this is dressage and I think you should hold onto the fact you came 7th out of 19 which is more relevant to how you went than your actual %. What were your comments like? Don't be put off by it, take on board the comments from the judge and Denise and continue to make good progress, it would be interesting to see how the same judge marks you in future. I actually think it can be quite uplifting if a judge that has previously marked me low then marks me much higher a few months later, at least you know you are on the right lines. Chin up and move on, listen to your trainer and keep going! Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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scotty
01-03-2008 20:53 |
RE: Soul Destroying
this does happen occasionally. I dont know what the judges think about at times. Unfortunately usually these judges are the ones who couldn't do it themselves to be honest Keep going and get out again asap so that you can rebuild your confidence. Believe me, it just sometimes happens! Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Competition
01-03-2008 21:01 |
RE: Soul Destroying
Quote "I can see why you name the thread 'soul destroying', however this is dressage and I think you should hold onto the fact you came 7th out of 19 which is more relevant to how you went than your actual %. What were your comments like? Don't be put off by it, take on board the comments from the judge and Denise and continue to make good progress, it would be interesting to see how the same judge marks you in future. I actually think it can be quite uplifting if a judge that has previously marked me low then marks me much higher a few months later, at least you know you are on the right lines. Chin up and move on, listen to your trainer and keep going!" Thanks very much for your reply and your totaly right about both the % and it would be great if i could get her as a judge again. Her comments were, "no submission", but Indy is woring well in her bridle and very light in hand. She also gave me 3/10 because "came abouve the bit" for a couple of strides on her 20m circle (in canter). Thanks again. X Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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scotty
01-03-2008 21:05 |
RE: Soul Destroying
sounds very mean especially in a riding club competition. I have so say that if I was giving 3s for that happening, I would be handing out some minus marks for some of the other tests that we see sometimes. Dont think about it again. Just go out and show her what you and your horse are made of!! Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Competition
01-03-2008 21:17 |
RE: Soul Destroying
Quote "sounds very mean especially in a riding club competition. I have so say that if I was giving 3s for that happening, I would be handing out some minus marks for some of the other tests that we see sometimes. Dont think about it again. Just go out and show her what you and your horse are made of!!" Aw thank you very much for your lovely comment, fingers crossed ill get back out next week. x Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Aspire
01-03-2008 21:18 |
RE: Soul Destroying
Sorry you've had a bad day, but try and remain pleased with the progress you and your horse have made and hold onto that. The trick is to focus on what you feel went well did the judge's comments agree with that even if the mark isn't to your liking? If not why not? What were your weaknesses and strengths? You have already said your halt is terrible, so thats an identified weakness and something to work on. Then pick on the things you lost the most marks on and identify the core thread that runs thru them, there's usually one underlying problem that underpins the rest, and work on that for a month before venturing out again aiming to feel an improvement in that area. Remember we always lose 10% at least at a competition to what we have at home, a combination of both our competitive tension and the horse's reflection of this. If you were to practice your halts alone every time you ride her, not only in the school but out hacking for a month they would improve. Pick a spot and ask her to halt, walk a few steps and repeat. You don't say what the issue is but if she swings her quarters is it always to the same side? If so are you sitting crookedly and causing this? If so buy a pilates ball and practice at home sitting central, take it to work and sit on it at your desk (cures bad posture quickly as poor position and the ball's of out from under you!)Reward her with a pat and verbal praise when she stands and don't allow her to move off immediately, count a few hippopotami before moving off,then ensure when you ask her to go forward by lightening your seatbones and applying your leg that she does so promptly. Forgive me if all this is teaching grandma to suck eggs but I am trying to focus you into looking at the sheet as a baseline and a spring board from which to move forward rather than taking a defeatist approach which is never what we judges wish to achieve. So come on, have a sulk tonight and a large glass of red with a large bar of chocolate 9my solution to all ills) then tomorrow come out positive and moving forwards so you can really stick it to us on your next outing. Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Competition
01-03-2008 21:35 |
RE: Soul Destroying
Quote "Sorry you've had a bad day, but try and remain pleased with the progress you and your horse have made and hold onto that. The trick is to focus on what you feel went well did the judge's comments agree with that even if the mark isn't to your liking? If not why not? What were your weaknesses and strengths? You have already said your halt is terrible, so thats an identified weakness and something to work on. Then pick on the things you lost the most marks on and identify the core thread that runs thru them, there's usually one underlying problem that underpins the rest, and work on that for a month before venturing out again aiming to feel an improvement in that area. Remember we always lose 10% at least at a competition to what we have at home, a combination of both our competitive tension and the horse's reflection of this. If you were to practice your halts alone every time you ride her, not only in the school but out hacking for a month they would improve. Pick a spot and ask her to halt, walk a few steps and repeat. You don't say what the issue is but if she swings her quarters is it always to the same side? If so are you sitting crookedly and causing this? If so buy a pilates ball and practice at home sitting central, take it to work and sit on it at your desk (cures bad posture quickly as poor position and the ball's of out from under you!)Reward her with a pat and verbal praise when she stands and don't allow her to move off immediately, count a few hippopotami before moving off,then ensure when you ask her to go forward by lightening your seatbones and applying your leg that she does so promptly. Forgive me if all this is teaching grandma to suck eggs but I am trying to focus you into looking at the sheet as a baseline and a spring board from which to move forward rather than taking a defeatist approach which is never what we judges wish to achieve. So come on, have a sulk tonight and a large glass of red with a large bar of chocolate 9my solution to all ills) then tomorrow come out positive and moving forwards so you can really stick it to us on your next outing." Thank you very much for taing the time to give such a detailed reply. i like the idea of halting out a hack! I do lighten my seat 90% of the time but today im am almost positive i didnt at the halt, which was poor on my part! When she halts she tends to walk backwards and the swing her quarters, usually to the left but sometimes to the right. As you sed plenty of practice at home will help immensely. I dont claim to be an expert by any means but i didnt agree at all with the judge!! She was only giving me 5 for Indy's pacese and she always scores 7-8. She said no submission and gave me 3/10 , even though she was working into the bridle 90% of the time and said that she wasnt going forward at all but c'mon im sitting on a thoroughbred haha no but seriously she was pretty forward going. Thanks very much for your tips and advice (especially about the vino and chocolate!). X Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Wayward Girl
01-03-2008 23:17 |
RE: Soul Destroying
If she is walking backwards in the halt, try to make sure you have enough leg on (I know it's counter-intuitive to keep the leg on when you want to halt...). If she starts to think backwards, immediately walk on then halt again. Also try to ride her up into the contact in the halt, don't drop the contact as she will be confused. You can also practice halts on the lunge, or in-hand. I walk my mare in-hand after each ride and ask her to halt without touching the rein, just saying "aaand staaaand" in a downwards tone. I then reward her with a few pony nuts once she's stood still for a few seconds. This works so well, I can say "aaand" when I am riding and she will halt and stand. Another exercise to try is to put two poles out as tramlines to halt between, which will help her stay straight. Make sure your legs are on equally and you are sitting straight. Good luck next time... Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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Strictly Come Prancing
02-03-2008 09:26 |
RE: Soul Destroying
All of the above advice is good and well worth trying. I'm sorry that you had such a bad day - it's happened to most of us at some time and there are really only two choices - give up, or keep going. I hope that you choose the latter. Just one addition to everybody's advice - are you certain that your legs aren't too far back when you halt? This could inadvertently be asking your mare to move backwards and once its happened, and with tension added to the equation, it could easily become a habit. Make sure that, even if you use them slightly backwards as you come into the halt, that you keep them on the girth DURING the halt. Don't forget to breath as she stands rock solid still - which she will VERY SOON! If it makes you feel any better, years ago, when I first started to compete, I was always last. I came home dejected time after time. My husband said that maybe I should try something else as it was beginning to make me unhappy. Then one day after I'd done my bit, I sat and watched and in came a young girl on a small pony. Its head was up, it galloped about and (very unsportingly really) I remember thinking 'Well at least I won't be last today!'. I was still last and by a huge margin and that was a real low point. However, this mare, who I'd bred and backed myself, went on to compete at medium level dressage, novice eventing, where she did well and she also did really well in the Stora Timber (DxSJ) competitions. So don't you dare give up! It takes time, but you'll be stronger from the effort when you do get it together. Reply to this message Report this as inappropriate |
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